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Goal of Annapolis is to Gain Support Against Iran

By Manila Ryce
Published Tuesday, November 27th, 2007, 7:59 am
Filed under: Videos: Political, World: Asia, Human Rights, Economic, Videos, World Issues, US Politics

Here’s a short report from Democracy Now! on the so-called “peace talks” in Annapolis, which begin today, and why they will fail to bring any peace. As always, the legitimate government of Hamas is excluded. Additionally, Amy Goodman reports that Gaza, illegal Jewish settlements, borders, the apartheid wall, Jerusalem, and the right of return for Palestinian refugees will not be on the agenda. So what is there left to talk about between Middle East leaders if not to resolve these specific issues? Well, it looks as though the very goal of the “peace talks” is to gain support for a war against Iran, and not to bring peace to anybody.

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Israeli/Palestinian “peace talks” have always been bullshit because Israel has always been required under international law to release the occupied territories and withdraw to its pre-1967 borders. THAT is the plan Israel would follow if it actually wanted peace. These talks occur so that Israel can legitimize its failure to comply by establishing new goals between it and the US rather than it and the international community.

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Israeli apologists will often argue that Israel has been generous in these talks, and that the Palestinians are the difficult and uncompromising party. Using that logic, we can say a thief is being generous by giving back a portion of what he stole. If you reject the offer because you want everything back, well then you obviously are just being difficult. Never mind that the seizure of your property was illegal or that you are entitled to all of it back under the law. Phyllis Bennis from the Institute for Policy Studies said something very true about the idea of Israel remaining a “Jewish State” rather than a secular and democratic one: “Jews like you and I, who have no ties in Israel, would have more rights permanently as quasi-citizens of Israel than the Palestinians who were expelled from the territory that is now Israel, back in 1947 and ‘48.”

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17 Responses to “Goal of Annapolis is to Gain Support Against Iran”

  1. Were I to break into your house and take something you should demand all of what I took back. However, should you attack me on my property, and as a result of our “war” I gain possession of some of your property, I should not have to “give” it back. It was lost as a result of your aggression. Spoils of war.

    Jack
    11/27/07 at 12:12 pm

  2. Umm thanks Jack. That’s more or less what I wanted to say. I never could understand how people can view the Arab states as victims when they were the aggressors.

    Otter

    Otter
    11/27/07 at 12:16 pm

  3. Jack that is illegal under International Law .
    Wow 7 words and your argument destroyed …crap …thought it would take more than that .

    Hugo Chavez
    11/27/07 at 12:57 pm

  4. Hey Jack, did I mention the thieves are still in your house and keep you held hostage at gunpoint? Is struggling against these criminals when they attempt to tie you up in your home still considered an act of war, or valid resistance?

    Manila Ryce
    11/27/07 at 1:24 pm

  5. Hugo - kinda like your “changing the laws” of Venezuela to fit your needs? Bullsh@t, Israel needs defensible borders, otherwise the Arabs will push them into the sea. They didn’t start the war, but they damn sure finished it didn’t they. Now that the war hasn’t gone hte arabs way they want to appeal to the world court to get something back? Puleeez!

    Manila - The thieves? Israel is the thieves? Get a grip! Israel has been there for centuries but was recognized in 1947. Then and only then they were attacked by the Arab majority. Israel has a right to self defense. Luckily they have more patience than I, for I would have carpet bombed the entire region by now and let God sort them out. Why on earth should Israel sit idly by and let itself get bombed daily from Lebanon and Gaza?

    Jack
    11/27/07 at 2:27 pm

  6. Strangely, I seem to remember that the Palestinians are still killing each other over whether they have a Hamas government or a Fatah government.

    How can such an entity engage in peace talks, I’ll never know.

    karrde
    11/27/07 at 3:18 pm

  7. @Jack
    Your warped sense of history is as laughable as your genocidal fantasy is disturbing. I wonder what your thirst for death and destruction is overcompensating for. Israel has a right to defend itself, but absolutely no right to be a “Jewish State”. Understand? The land has been inhabited by many different peoples over the centuries. No one particular group has the right to seize land, claim it for themselves, ethnically cleanse all others, and deny the rest their inalienable rights.

    @karrde
    Please do enlighten us on why genetics, religion, or culture are to blame for the fighting between Fatah and Hamas. I’d love to know why US foreign policy has nothing to do with this violent destabilization, and why those evil Arabs are always to blame.

    Manila Ryce
    11/27/07 at 7:21 pm

  8. Jack
    That old “otherwise the Arabs will push them into the sea” line is not only historically incorrect but usually goes hand in hand with the old “wipe them off the map” line .The interesting thing about that is that in fact there is a country that has been wiped off the map. It’s called Palestine. It’s not on the map , it’s gone . If you can find it give me a shout.
    Now that protection wall you’re talking about is in fact a land grab and nothing else , the disengagement from Gaza isn’t even hidden by the Israeli media any more they’re perfectly open about it . Now I understand that living in Washington you’ll have a pretty distorted view on the reality and history of Israel . I suggest you let your fingers do some walking and get yourself over to Google video and watch the documentary “Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land” it’s on line in it’s entirety and after watching it you can take a deep breath and read a book written by a Israeli Scholar Llan Pappé http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilan_Papp%C3%A9 (just in case you think it’s some pro Arab terrorist type) called The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine …
    Or you can go through life reputing falsehoods you pick up off the US media. Choice is yours if you wish to live in a world of comforting illusions by all means go ahead . But don’t spread your lies around here, people on this site are way too well read and educated on world affairs to all that sort of rubbish go uncontested.

    Hugo Chavez
    11/28/07 at 11:36 am

  9. Not historically correct? Hams and Iran have both vowed to destroy Israel. Hamas has stated that nothing less than all lads currently claimed by Israel will do. What world are you living in?

    Palestine? There never was a Palestine. Never. Ever. The uproar for a Palestinian state did not come about until after the 1967-68 war. After the Arab states failed in their attempt to whipe out Israel. Arab refugees from Israel lands were convinced by Arab leader to leave Israel before they attacked so as to not be hurt in the coming battles. Instead of picking up arms and defending their home from Arab aggression, they left. But alas, none of the Arab countries would take them all in. These are what we now refer to as the Palestinians. Arabs that no Arab country wants.

    Jack
    11/28/07 at 11:49 am

  10. Manila, I noticed my comment to your post above was deleted. I guess the discussion is getting to difficult for you.

    Jack
    11/28/07 at 11:51 am

  11. @Jack
    I wouldn’t do you the favor of deleting your stupidity. See that little gray button on the lower right that says “submit comment”? Press that after you type in the comment box. Try again.

    Manila Ryce
    11/28/07 at 11:54 am

  12. It was submitted, and posted…then poof. I guess it must just be a software glitch.

    Jack
    11/28/07 at 11:56 am

  13. “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

    any idea who said that ?
    “God promised it to us” –god is now an estate agent of course …give me a break

    anyway I’m sure you are well aware who said that

    Hugo Chavez
    11/28/07 at 1:56 pm

  14. I am off the blog for a day and look what I missed… Just as well.

    Might I point Jack to what is known as al nakba, the catastrophe? It was when as many as 750,000 Palestinians were routed from their homes and villages.

    Lest you think I am some whacko nut job with no bona fides I have family members who are both Zionist and Israeli and I have been there to see things first hand. As always, with Israel, you carry the notion that Israel gets to be both the victim and and then the agressor. What horsesh*t frankly.

    Israel, of all places should have some sense of being disenfranchised. This however is how the oppressed become oppressors - a story as old as time.

    FranIAm
    11/28/07 at 3:09 pm

  15. wow, what a non-biased and objective view of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

    You are seriously going to call this journalism? Looks more like a ton of speculation and “opinion” to me. I would expect this type of BS reporting to show up on FOX News.

    stevo
    11/28/07 at 4:18 pm

  16. @stevo
    Um, no. The truth about Israel/Palestine would never show up on Fox News. Since you’re so knowledgeable perhaps you’d like to disabuse us of our ignorance. Your friends have so far failed to make one legitimate point worthy of debate.

    Manila Ryce
    11/28/07 at 5:55 pm

  17. Here is a hint of what Fox news is all about vis-a-vis Israel… It is one of the top cable news channels there. My cousins have it on 24/7.

    Enough said.

    FranIam
    11/29/07 at 10:54 am

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